are holy/chaos/dark/shadow weapons armor-ignoring? - Guild Wars Forums

jray14 · Oct 06, 2009, 05:47 PM // 17:47

I know that skills inflicting these damage types are armor-ignoring, but what about weapons with these inherent damage types?

snaek · Oct 06, 2009, 05:58 PM // 17:58

according to my understanding, they are not. they simply bypass any armor bonuses granted to physical or elemental damage. however, most skills that say they do holy/shadow damage are armour ignoring. (btw there are no skills cause chaos or dark damage, and no weapons that cause shadow damage afaik)

LicensedLuny · Oct 06, 2009, 06:01 PM // 18:01

The weapons are not armor-ignoring. And I think you're mistaken about the skills. Some skills that cause those types of damage also ignore armor, but I don't think they all do.

Holy, chaos, dark and shadow are just other types of damage - not physical or elemental.

From http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Holy_damage "Most skills that directly deal holy damage are also armor ignoring." Most isn't all.

From http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Dark_damage "Unlike Shadow damage, dark damage is not armor-ignoring, but simply non-physical, non-elemental damage which uses the normal damage calculations. "

I think chaos damage is caused only by weapons, not skills, and is not armor-ignoring. I think shadow damage is caused only by skills and is the one that's always armor-ignoring.

Hope it helps rather than adding to the confusion. :S

Cheers,
Luny

EDIT - It should be easy enough to check. Roll a PvP-only character. Use the PvP equipment tab to make various weapons dealing those types. Then go wand the different armor dummies a while and see if the average damage changes on the higher-armored targets.

reaper with no name · Oct 06, 2009, 06:09 PM // 18:09

Shadow damage is basically dark damage for skills (much like how holy weapons used to be called "light" weapons).

The rule is that if the holy/dark/chaos damage is dealt by a skill, it ignores armor. If it's dealt by a weapon, it does not ignore armor (this includes weapons who have had their damage type changed through skills like Judge's Insight).

jray14 · Oct 06, 2009, 06:32 PM // 18:32

Thanks for the helpful replies! I knew some of the answers might be on wiki, but I couldn't find them, and I don't have a free character slot to test things.

Shadowed Ritualist · Oct 06, 2009, 06:52 PM // 18:52

chaos damage can be caused by skills, seeping wound for instance.

majikmajikmajik · Oct 06, 2009, 08:57 PM // 20:57

maelstrom has chaos i think too.

subarucar · Oct 06, 2009, 09:40 PM // 21:40

They are simply damage for types for +/- damage while fighting certain foes (Holy vs Undead etc).

Dace Hunters · Oct 06, 2009, 10:02 PM // 22:02

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Originally Posted by reaper with no name

The rule is that if the holy/dark/chaos damage is dealt by a skill, it ignores armor. If it's dealt by a weapon, it does not ignore armor

orly?
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Lightbringer%27s_Gaze

Chthon · Oct 06, 2009, 10:14 PM // 22:14

Originally, Holy and Shadow damage always ignored armor could only be found on skills, while Light and Dark damage respected armor and could be found on weapons. (Judge's Insight was an exception.)

Eventually a-net decided to just merge the four damage types into two. What we have now is Holy/Shadow damage on weapons always respects armor, and Holy/Shadow damage on skills *usually* ignores armor. (And the number of exception skills has grown.)

That said, since nothing has +armor against Holy/Shadow, even their armor-respecting forms have a slight edge over physical and elemental damage types.

Thenameless Wonder · Oct 06, 2009, 10:59 PM // 22:59

These damage types are just like on big game of pokemon! ^^

subarucar · Oct 07, 2009, 06:29 AM // 06:29

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Originally Posted by Chthon

That said, since nothing has +armor against Holy/Shadow, even their armor-respecting forms have a slight edge over physical and elemental damage types.

But things do have less armour vs certain types of damage (e.g Destroyers vs Water), so in those cases they do not have the edge. If there is another factor that means they do, I would like to know.

Oct 06, 2009, 05:47 PM // 17:47	#1
jray14 Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: NC, USA Guild: Ohm Mahnee Pedmay [Hoom]	are holy/chaos/dark/shadow weapons armor-ignoring? I know that skills inflicting these damage types are armor-ignoring, but what about weapons with these inherent damage types?

Oct 06, 2009, 06:01 PM // 18:01	#3
LicensedLuny Badly Influenced Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Buying Humps! (No kidding! Check my buy thread) Guild: Hello Kitty Krewe [HKK] Forever!-ish	The weapons are not armor-ignoring. And I think you're mistaken about the skills. Some skills that cause those types of damage also ignore armor, but I don't think they all do. Holy, chaos, dark and shadow are just other types of damage - not physical or elemental. From http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Holy_damage "Most skills that directly deal holy damage are also armor ignoring." Most isn't all. From http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Dark_damage "Unlike Shadow damage, dark damage is not armor-ignoring, but simply non-physical, non-elemental damage which uses the normal damage calculations. " I think chaos damage is caused only by weapons, not skills, and is not armor-ignoring. I think shadow damage is caused only by skills and is the one that's always armor-ignoring. Hope it helps rather than adding to the confusion. :S Cheers, Luny EDIT - It should be easy enough to check. Roll a PvP-only character. Use the PvP equipment tab to make various weapons dealing those types. Then go wand the different armor dummies a while and see if the average damage changes on the higher-armored targets. Last edited by LicensedLuny; Oct 06, 2009 at 06:16 PM // 18:16..

Oct 06, 2009, 05:58 PM // 17:58	#2
snaek Forge Runner Join Date: Mar 2006 Profession: N/	according to my understanding, they are not. they simply bypass any armor bonuses granted to physical or elemental damage. however, most skills that say they do holy/shadow damage are armour ignoring. (btw there are no skills cause chaos or dark damage, and no weapons that cause shadow damage afaik)

Oct 06, 2009, 06:09 PM // 18:09	#4
reaper with no name Desert Nomad Join Date: Apr 2009 Guild: FaZ Profession: D/	Shadow damage is basically dark damage for skills (much like how holy weapons used to be called "light" weapons). The rule is that if the holy/dark/chaos damage is dealt by a skill, it ignores armor. If it's dealt by a weapon, it does not ignore armor (this includes weapons who have had their damage type changed through skills like Judge's Insight).

Oct 06, 2009, 06:32 PM // 18:32	#5
jray14 Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Location: NC, USA Guild: Ohm Mahnee Pedmay [Hoom]	Thanks for the helpful replies! I knew some of the answers might be on wiki, but I couldn't find them, and I don't have a free character slot to test things.

Oct 06, 2009, 06:52 PM // 18:52	#6
Shadowed Ritualist Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Aug 2009 Guild: Brethren of Chaos Profession: Rt/A	chaos damage can be caused by skills, seeping wound for instance.

Oct 06, 2009, 08:57 PM // 20:57	#7
majikmajikmajik Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: SATown~Tx Guild: Guild Hopper! Profession: R/	maelstrom has chaos i think too.

Oct 06, 2009, 09:40 PM // 21:40	#8
subarucar Desert Nomad Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Zealand Guild: None	They are simply damage for types for +/- damage while fighting certain foes (Holy vs Undead etc).

Oct 06, 2009, 10:14 PM // 22:14	#10
Chthon Grotto Attendant Join Date: Apr 2007	Originally, Holy and Shadow damage always ignored armor could only be found on skills, while Light and Dark damage respected armor and could be found on weapons. (Judge's Insight was an exception.) Eventually a-net decided to just merge the four damage types into two. What we have now is Holy/Shadow damage on weapons always respects armor, and Holy/Shadow damage on skills usually ignores armor. (And the number of exception skills has grown.) That said, since nothing has +armor against Holy/Shadow, even their armor-respecting forms have a slight edge over physical and elemental damage types.

Oct 06, 2009, 10:59 PM // 22:59	#11
Thenameless Wonder Krytan Explorer Join Date: Aug 2009 Profession: W/	These damage types are just like on big game of pokemon! ^^